In this episode, I speak with Dr Dick Schwartz, founder of Internal Family Systems (IFS), about the remarkable rise of one of the world’s fastest-growing therapeutic approaches and the questions that come with its growing influence. Drawing on decades of clinical work and recent developments in the model, Dick reflects on how IFS has evolved beyond psychotherapy to embrace spirituality, leadership, and personal transformation.
Together, we explore the foundations of IFS, the nature of the Self, and why relating compassionately to our inner parts can create profound psychological change. Dick discusses the spiritual dimensions of the work that he kept largely private for many years, explaining why he now feels it’s important to speak openly about them. Mark brings his trademark curiosity and scepticism to the conversation, asking whether the growing popularity of IFS risks creating dogma, where healthy leadership ends and cult dynamics begin, and how practitioners can stay grounded as the model continues to expand.
The conversation also explores trauma, parenting, psychedelics, embodiment, and the future of mental health, examining how IFS is being applied far beyond the therapy room. Whether you’re a coach, therapist, or simply interested in understanding yourself more deeply, this episode offers a thoughtful look at one of the most influential psychological models of our time, and the opportunities and challenges that come with its rapid growth.
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