462. Authentic Relating – With Ryel Kestano and Mark Walsh

Authentic Relating co-founder joins me to talk why communication matters, NVC, circling, working with prisoners, slowing down, the foundations of Authentic Relating, polarisation, dehumanisation, naturalness, his new book and Ukraine. A lively meaningful one.


Ryel Kestano is the co-founder, CEO, and a Senior Course Leader at ART International. Ryel is primarily responsible for the development of ART’s courses and programs, and leads the company as it expands to reach more people with the transformational practice of authentic relating. He has led and facilitated over 1000 sessions to tens of thousands of participants and attendees in over 40 locations around the world and online, and has led ART to become the largest and most successful authentic relating training organization in the world. Ryel is also the co-founder of The Realness Project, a nonprofit dedicated to bringing authentic relating training to prison inmates. 

Website:  ryelkestano.com

IG: @ryelkestano

Book Link: https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Relating-Meaningful-Nourishing-Relationships/dp/B0BCD519VK/

Ryel is the author of the book Authentic Relating: A Guide to Rich, Meaningful, Nourishing Relationships, widely considered the bible of the authentic relating movement.

Prior to setting up ART, Ryel was the Training Operations Manager and a Certified Facilitator at the Integral Center in Boulder, Colorado, a leading institution in authentic communication and community development training. His entrepreneurial endeavours include co-founding Virtuance, the world’s largest real estate photography company, the People’s Farm, a farm-to-consumer distribution network, and Pink Mammoth, a prominent creative arts collective based in San Francisco. Ryel launched his career as a hedge-fund trader for Moore Capital Management in New York City.

Ryel is a graduate of Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut, holds an MFA in Creative Writing from the University of Southern California, and attended the University of Denver Business School. He lives in the Colorado mountains, has four very authentic children and is an avid rock climber.

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